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Post by Pharaoh tesenor rernem II on Feb 11, 2008 12:35:20 GMT
"why search me for weapons?... King of foxtonland..." he looks rough agresive well the aligators head helps" and his voice is rough as well even with the armour you can notice that he is very well build up... "you should know by now that I'm my main weapon and my armour as well..." (sobek is a mutant...) we have information that you have developt an item that could treaten the security of amgroth, my Pharaoh is concernd about it and wishes to come to terms with you in order to continue the treaty with in our countries in order to continue as allies since we all gave our word..., Pharaoh fears that this device could spy on his palace and he doesnt want that, he wishes tocome to terms with you.."
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Post by Jack Hyter on Feb 11, 2008 22:22:45 GMT
That seems reasonable. Actually, this whole satalyte business is sort of... Against personal privacy laws and acts. Bah, what do I care? I just want to shoot shit.
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Post by Johnny Carcer-Spectro on Feb 12, 2008 10:15:58 GMT
i put on as formal a voice as I can "As for searching you, security has been tightened recently, since the," I pause" incident" I pause again and look at sobek. "and I have this to say, I do not know you, there are only a handful of people I might know, and anyone I am not certain of, I must be careful of" "finally, as for this breach in your nations laws, I would like to see some sort of evidence, all that my good friend and I were discussing were our plans to send Foxtonlandian and Jackkitanian( ) television to one an others lands," I pause, "if your Pharaoh has heard otherwise I would very much like to hear from where, especially as the Pharaoh has such strong convictions about privacy"
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Post by Pharaoh tesenor rernem II on Feb 12, 2008 11:59:37 GMT
"king of foxtonland you are trying to play with a doulble edge sword in fire if you think you could lie to me in that way... Pharaoh is not a foul... and he pays well to be informed of everything that happens in this world... He didnt care much about the bizarre genetic modification genome. Inc was doing or is doing, but this goes against all of the laws and Pharaoh is not happy that you are creating weapons of such power behinde his back and I'm talking about the satalites that you are using to proyect some sort of holographic image..."
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Post by Johnny Carcer-Spectro on Feb 12, 2008 16:05:37 GMT
"but does he have any proof of this ? no one can come into my nation and make such unpleasant and unneeded accusations without the proper evidence. and even if you could Prove that Mr Hyter and I weren't simply discussing the combination of our excellent satellite television services, the Pharaoh would have no right to tell me to stop using whatever technologies he thinks I have been developing, let alone to tell me not to share them with my nations closest ally," I pause
"perhaps I was not clear enough when I said that it was strange that the Pharaoh Gained private, confidential knowledge of a trade of resources,between two of his allys no less, when you yourself have said that the Pharaoh does not agree with such," I pause "techniques"
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Post by Jack Hyter on Feb 12, 2008 18:38:36 GMT
"He has a valid point. How did the Pharoh come to such knowledge without...." I look a little... Disconcerted... I walk over to Johnny and whisper. (Johnny CHECK YOUR PMs!)
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Post by Pharaoh tesenor rernem II on Feb 13, 2008 14:26:49 GMT
"is Pharaohs job to know everything that happens in this continent and the information Pharaoh knows about has been given to him voluntarily he did not spy on any of your kingdoms, and the fact that you both are hidding something and your body language as well as the fact that your eyes cannot hide some sort of lust and game, what were you planning to do with this device " "Pharaoh does not want a war he just wants to be sure that we all can come to a deal"
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Post by Jack Hyter on Feb 13, 2008 18:07:59 GMT
"Well the way I see it there, there is a contridiction of terms there. The Pharaoh doesn't like his privacy being risked, but it's his job to know what's going on in other countries?"
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Post by Pharaoh tesenor rernem II on Feb 14, 2008 10:46:52 GMT
the information and knowledge has been given to him voluntarily he did not make someone give it to him and he did not went into other countries personaly and spy on them with his power even though he can do it and even with out the help of numerous satelites..." what Pharaoh wants is treaty between us not to use the satelites on our own countries if we unify we can destroy other enemies like we destroy donor kebab..."
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Post by Johnny Carcer-Spectro on Feb 14, 2008 11:24:53 GMT
"even if any information was freely given to you, it was not given to you by me. Whilst your pharoh believes that he can send his servents to my nation making accusations which he backs up with information freely given to him, I wish to remind him that he was indeed spying on either Foxtonsland, or Jackitanica, otherwise he could not have had the contacts to allow him access information which would otherwise be beyond his reach, if I must remind you, all files on on foxtonslands dealings are keept on a closed circuit system, in a CLASSIFIED location, which only a select few of my goverment officials have access to" I pause.
"i cannot believe that the pharoh would have the nerve to acuse me of invasion of privacy when he has quite clearly done the same to gain ANY information on whatever transpires here, however valid, or invalid the information may be"
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Post by Johnny Carcer-Spectro on Feb 14, 2008 11:29:26 GMT
"your Pharoh cannot be excused from what he did to gain the information, and it is hypocritical of him to even suggest his treaty. You may tell him that I respectfully decline. anyone, even your nation could become an enemy, and his deception, acusations, and talk of treties havent helped decrease my suspicion of him."
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Post by Jack Hyter on Feb 14, 2008 18:20:30 GMT
"Yeah, that, and you attempted to dodge answering the question."
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Post by Pharaoh tesenor rernem II on Feb 25, 2008 12:11:05 GMT
sobek-" sit down, look when your girlfriend goes out in town and the next day someone very relieable tells you that she cheated on you with another guy can you call that spying on her you didnt seek for that information someone else gave it to you maybe cos it could benefit them in some sort of way or maybe just because they want to the same happened here Pharaoh did not seek for the information the information came to him" if youre so proud of your security system then you should check everysingle person that works for you, some people are loyal some just want benefits and some just like to hate every kingdom have those King of people"
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Post by Johnny Carcer-Spectro on Feb 25, 2008 13:16:00 GMT
"i find it hard to beieve that someone would just come to the Pharoh with information, they would not risk the consequenses of betrayel unless they knew they would be rewarded and would not have to return. and again, how do you know that the information you gained is true? you say it came from a reliable sourse... Which Just came to the Pharoh out of the blue? how can you know the sourse is relyable if this is the first time they have come to you? and if this is not the first time then the Pharoh has been wilingly acepting classified information on other nations on a regular basis, even if he does not ask for it, and the information gained is given randomly, when the giver chooses, accepting it often is still spying. The pharoh seems to be digging himself a hole"
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Post by Pharaoh tesenor rernem II on Feb 28, 2008 10:04:47 GMT
if your girlfriend goes out in town and the next day someone very relieable tells you that she cheated on you with another guy could you call that spying on her?
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Post by Johnny Carcer-Spectro on Feb 28, 2008 13:21:43 GMT
"if you allow them to keep discovering things about your girlfriend and relaying that information to you, then yes, how would you know that someone is relyable if you had not used their services before?"
"you are in between a rock and a hard place,
you have said before that the pharoh pays well to be informed of the goings on of this world,
yet you have later been adement that someone randomly came to him with information, rather than the pharoh hireing him to do so.
you have also said that this person not only came to him with information, without being asked, but you have also said that to HE couldnt have been activly spying on my nation, by trying to tell me that this was the first time this has happened. If this was the truth then this is true then it would not be contrary to what you have allready said in defense, and I could have forgiven the
it would not have been the pharohs fault IF someone arrived and given him the information to him, without him asking,
but once someone knows of what is happening, they become a part of it, what happens is partly in THEIR hands and part of the responsibility and the blame falls on them. You might ask what this has to do with my arguement. Let me enlighten you.
you say that the Pharoh has gained information from a relyable sourse. How does he know that the sourse is relyable?
he must have used them before. So this is not the first time, so he would be to blame for gaining any information from that sourse beyond the first time, IF the sourse came to the Pharoh with information without being asked that first time then, if not then he would have been responsible from day one.
so the Pharoh must be responsable for gaining knowladge of my, and possibly even Tommy Jakitanika(?)'s nation. Spying, in other words.
if this is the case then he has no right to send you here, if it is not then his defense must be that sourse is not relyable, but even then he would still have no right sending you here, making such accusations without proper evidence.
but you have also said that the Pharoh pays well to be informed of the world. This leads me to the conclusion that he was lying about the informant coming to him without being asked and that he must have been responsable for gaining this information from day one. He was in fact ACTIVLY spying on my nation. He should not have sent you."
by allowing it to continue the pharoh is responsible for it in some way. You said earlier that the pharoh gained the information from a relyable sourse. But how could anyone know that the sourse was relyable unless they had allready used their servises? if he had used these services before, even if he had not asked for them, he would have allways been in the possition to have told hem not to spy for him.
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Post by Jack Hyter on Feb 28, 2008 19:32:37 GMT
"He's right, ya'know."
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Post by Pharaoh tesenor rernem II on Feb 29, 2008 11:01:45 GMT
"youre right to some extend how could Pharaoh know that the information was relaible but theres 2 anwers to your question 1- it wasnt the first time but answer N 2 my friend is quite simple a servant fears its king" *Sobek looks straight into Johnny* "but he fears even more a Pharaoh, ... If your servant is unhapy with what youre creating in here then he would want that stoped and he would search for a solution he would turn to the closest friend of his king" *Pharaoh turns and looks at tommy* "but when this other king" *Moves in order to be facing them both from where he is* "is as blinded as his then he has no other option but to seek for help further more and he would come to amgroth and seek for Pharaoh but they would only do that after they are completely sure of their information because otherwise they know they can't play with a Pharaoh the house of tokeram has been ruling inside this continent even before the time it self and even before your kingdoms he know that if he tries to play with Pharaoh he will spend the rest of his life wishing he could die fast, thats how this all has worked and this is how Pharaoh knows this information is relaible..."
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Post by Johnny Carcer-Spectro on Feb 29, 2008 15:21:55 GMT
"but how do you know the information is relyable from a first time informant, if you also know they fear you? what if they had lied to gain prestiege from the pharoh, or for money? surely being affraid would cause them to continue the lie, and be more careful of it incase of being caught in it. If you did not inspire ny fear at all, then you would also allow a first time informant to lie, so again I am brought to the conclusion that the pharoh must have used that person before, otherwise the information was not relyable. and he is again in between a rock and a hard place"
"anoher thing, I do not like your terminology used for me, and the people of this land, I believe it raises questions about the pharohs view on his own people, and brings his ability to be an effective leader into question, though we will discuss this later"
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Post by Jack Hyter on Feb 29, 2008 17:53:52 GMT
"I agree, the first law to politics is to look after the people you rule over. Individually they may be weak, but what about the several billion that live within your borders?"
Lol, I'm RPing Jack, Tommy's trusty Gun Lacky.
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